Claims on the Blessed Virgin Mary part II, XXXV to XXXX

List of claims

Quoted passage and specific claim list to it:

"Where did those beliefs come from? The Roman Catholic view of Mary has far more in common with the Isis mother-goddess religion of Egypt than it does with anything taught in the New Testament. Interestingly, the first hints of Catholic Mariology occur in the writings of Origen, who lived in Alexandria, Egypt, which happened to be the focal point of Isis worship."

• XXXV It is claimed that the view of the Blessed Virgin has much in common with the Isis worship and that this is more than it has with anything written in New Testament, while the role of Old Testament in Mariology is omitted.
• XXXVI It is left to imagination that the Mariology of Origen coming from Alexandria is supporting evidence for Catholic Mariology being Isis-worship.
• XXXVII It is omitted that Origen's Alexandria is where St Athanasius was defending Divinity of Christ, as also believed by Got Questions.
• XXXVIII It is omitted that Origen took his Mariology from typology of Old Testament.
• XXXIX It is omitted that Origen lived during the centuries of persecution, so, if Origen had mixed Isis-worship with Christianity, this mixture would have happened previous to promotion by Constantine and successors.
• XXXX It is thus omitted that Catholic Mariology begins in Early Church Fathers, since Origen is an ante-Nicene Father, shortly after Apostolic Fathers.

I had use for a beer and a steady meal before dealing with each of these singly:

• XXXV It is claimed that the view of the Blessed Virgin has much in common with the Isis worship and that this is more than it has with anything written in New Testament, while the role of Old Testament in Mariology is omitted.

Actually fairly obvious Biblical tenets of New Testament about Her, like Apocalypse 12 (even without concluding a kind of rapture) and flight to Egypt (Matthew 2:11-15 about going to Egypt and verses 16 to 18 about ill-deeds of Herod, and following verses about return) have at least slightly more in common with Isis and Horus worship than any theological conclusion or heavenly claim Catholics make about the Blessed Virgin.

Isis with Horus were fleeing from Seth, and Seth rampaged and went on ill-deeds.

And "queen of heaven" is a fairly imprecise claim, since it involves in the case of Mary being Mother of the King.

In case you'd like to reply "with Isis too", well Horus is the wrong "king of heaven."

• XXXVI It is left to imagination that the Mariology of Origen coming from Alexandria is supporting evidence for Catholic Mariology being Isis-worship.

One could as easily conclude Hebrews coming from Chanaan descend from Chanaanites - which some do conclude, and as Christians we know them wrong, unless you mean part of the people descend from some parts of Chanaaneans who did not get away or get killed.

• XXXVII It is omitted that Origen's Alexandria is where St Athanasius was defending Divinity of Christ, as also believed by Got Questions.

In other words, one could as well conclude that Watchtower Society of Pennsylvania were right in rejecting the main definition of Nicaea.

• XXXVIII It is omitted that Origen took his Mariology from typology of Old Testament.

In other words, one could as well conclude for Albigensians as not accepting any Old Testament, or for Jews who do not accept Old Testament typology and prophecy about Christ.

• XXXIX It is omitted that Origen lived during the centuries of persecution, so, if Origen had mixed Isis-worship with Christianity, this mixture would have happened previous to promotion by Constantine and successors.

In other words, there is a mixup in chronology in some readers minds, first Constantine legalised Christianity, they might imagine from what's been said, then Origen came along and provided some excuses for what Constantine already wanted.

Origen of Alexandria[a] (c. 184 – c. 253)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origen

He died c. 60 years before Ponte Milvio.

In c. 249, the Plague of Cyprian broke out.[89] In 250, Emperor Decius, believing that the plague was caused by Christians' failure to recognise him as Divine,[89] issued a decree for Christians to be persecuted.[89][11][88] This time Origen did not escape.[11][88] Eusebius recounts how Origen suffered "bodily tortures and torments under the iron collar and in the dungeon; and how for many days with his feet stretched four spaces in the stocks".[90][91][88] The governor of Caesarea gave very specific orders that Origen was not to be killed until he had publicly renounced in faith in Christ.[88] Origen endured two years of imprisonment and torture,[88] but obstinately refused to renounce his faith.[11][92] In 252, the emperor Decius was assassinated and Origen was released from prison.[88] Nonetheless, Origen's health was broken by the physical tortures enacted on him[11][93] and he died less than a year later at the age of sixty-nine.[11][93] A later legend, recounted by Jerome and numerous itineraries, places his death and burial at Tyre, but little value can be attached to this.[94]

In other words, not likely to comply with Constantine's wishes if he didn't already consider them quite Christian.

• XXXX It is thus omitted that Catholic Mariology begins in Early Church Fathers, since Origen is an ante-Nicene Father, shortly after Apostolic Fathers.

In other words, he (c. 184 – c. 253) was one generation after St. Clement of Alexandria (c. 150 – c. 215). And St. Clement was born (c. 150) before St Papias of Hierapolis, a Greek Apostolic Father, died (163 AD).

Very little is known of Papias apart from what can be inferred from his own writings. He is described as "an ancient man who was a hearer of John and a companion of Polycarp" by Polycarp's disciple Irenaeus (c. 180).

A little early for things getting wrong in the Church, at least in men admired for exegetic skills afterwards.